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MD's avatar

this was a nice post

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pondmaker mudscryer's avatar

Thank you ❤️

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Joshua Hutt's avatar

This is really solid. I like the framing, and I think it's nicely presented. I would love to see more personal anecdotes that trace it back to your experience, but that's my personal preference.

I also think that even the "microframe" is itself composed of many bits of experiences that themselves are not separate, but are not collapsable into a single, uniform whole. Even fear or anger themselves are composed of many sensations arriving in unison, some from the body, some from the environment. I've gotten a lot of mileage out of opening up to these and learning to sense and integrate them into my experience. They add color.

I think, from that view, you can actually experience all of them not as separate overlays, but as a unified experience that "pops" out a globally distinct form, sort of like one of those 3D images. I'm still figuring out what this is like and how to talk about it, so maybe I'll do a post on it at some point. It seems to be related to Gendlin's Focusing, though.

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pondmaker mudscryer's avatar

Thank you!

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pondmaker mudscryer's avatar

In Buddhism we call it the experiential realization of emptiness and dependent origination

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Joshua Hutt's avatar

My understanding of those concepts is that they are more fundamental than what I'm referring to.

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pondmaker mudscryer's avatar

That makes sense! I realized I was assuming you didn’t know about it but I would call them what you described experientially, but at the same time I think I see a slight difference as well in what you’re saying and how I experience those concepts

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Joshua Hutt's avatar

I am interested in diving deeper into this. Maybe we could chat about it or maybe I'll just write more on what I'm talking about and share it with you. <3

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pondmaker mudscryer's avatar

Sounds great to me

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